【難易度】3人以上のアメリカ人と楽しく雑談＞＞TOEFLibt100以上＞＞＞英検1級＞＞TOEIC900以上 [無断転載禁止]©2ch.net

2016/09/18(日) 06:14:38.22

異論ある奴いる？

2016/09/18(日) 07:38:06.42

1:1ならまあいけるけど
ガヤガヤすると発音とか声が重なって聞き取れなさそう

2016/09/18(日) 11:01:52.06

>>2
1対1なら向こうがこっちにわかるように話してくれるってのが大きい
でもそうじゃないとアメリカ人同士の会話はゆっくり喋らないしはっきり喋らないしスラング沢山入るし
そこに入ってスピーキングするって日本人にとっては本当辛い

2016/09/18(日) 15:40:09.22

ああ、そういうことね
つまり気を使って話してる速度ではなくて
自然な速度に慣れてる人であればいけるのか

2016/09/18(日) 17:52:05.64

普通に考えてTOEIC900と英検1級の差のほうがTOEFL100と英検1級の差より大きいでしょ
TOEIC doesn't have speaking and writing sections.

2016/09/19(月) 03:19:08.68

1級とibt100ならそこまで差ないよ
1級=ibt90ぐらいだと思う

2016/09/19(月) 06:10:05.13

そもそも楽しく雑談するのに必要なのはコミュ力。
語学力ではない。

2016/09/19(月) 08:15:13.33

でも聞き取れないと返事もできないじゃん？

2016/09/19(月) 08:39:14.03

>>7
そのコミュ力を含めての難易度なんだろう

2016/09/19(月) 10:23:23.83

雑談の語学力はこのくらいで十分。
必要なのはコミュ力。

https://youtu.be/p4i3Zgt2TGw

2016/09/19(月) 12:01:45.99

3人以上と雑談は日本語で日本人相手でもムズいは

2016/09/24(土) 14:52:21.61

>>10

このアホが目標とかって恥ずかしいぞ

>>11
コミュ障乙w

2016/12/21(水) 12:45:30.59

確かに3人以上ってだいぶムズイ

2017/01/08(日) 09:26:55.53

だろ

2017/02/26(日) 17:09:20.84

やっぱり文系は数字の感覚が鈍いってことがハッキリするスレタイだな

2017/05/20(土) 21:10:56.65

the artist's signature proves that this painting is genuine. only three people passed the test, which shows how hard it was. the test was very difficult. this is proved by the fact that only three people passed it.
there is evidence to show that the test was very difficult. this is clear from the fact that only three people passed it.
our school is thirty years old. children of all ages, reach thirty, reach my forties, ann looks young for her age. i am eighteen years old. i am eighteen. i am eighteen of age.
build a male-oriented society, become a member of society, live in the global community, japan is the oldest country.

life has certainly become easier, but this does not necessarily mean that everyone is happier than before. it does not necessarily follow that everyone is happier than before.
if you forget what you have experienced, this means that you have not experienced it at all. it follows that you have not experienced it at all.
just because you are rich, it does not necessarily follow that you are happy.
i know a lot about cars.
learn a lot about, learn little about,
learn something about, learn nothing about,
know a lot about, know little about,
know something about, know nothing about,
know tom very well, know english, know the answer, learn the fact,
know that / know how / learn that / learn how,
this is the case in other countries

2017/05/22(月) 14:01:14.35

the acidity of water is essentially determined
by the acidity of the soil.
your success in life depends on your education.
children are greatly influenced by the images
parents have of their future.
depend too much on instant foods,
it is not good for the health to eat too much
instant food.
do you have any hobbies?
tom has good taste in music.
what is your hobby?
my hobby is listenig to music.
i like listenig to music.
listenig music is my favorite pastime.
intellectual level, a high standard of living

when you have caught a cold, it is best
to go to bed at once.
the best way to enjoy natural beauty is
to walk in a leisurely way.
the best thing about teaching english is
discoverng some thing new about the
japanese language.
when i was in college, i met the woman
of my dreams.
should have studied. should not have studied.
i wish i had studied. i wish i had not studied.
i regret that i did not learn. i regret that i learned.

2017/05/22(月) 14:06:35.37

the acidity of water is essentially determined
by the acidity of the soil.
your success in life depends on your
education.
children are greatly influenced by the images
parents have of their future.
depend too much on instant foods,
it is not good for the health to eat too much
instant food.
do you have any hobbies?
tom has good taste in music.
what is your hobby?
my hobby is listenig to music.
i like listenig to music.
listenig to music is my favorite pastime.
intellectual level, a high standard of living

when you have caught a cold, it is best
to go to bed at once.
the best way to enjoy natural beauty is
to walk in a leisurely way.
the best thing about teaching english is
discoverng something new about the
japanese language.
when i was in college, i met the woman
of my dreams.
should have studied, should not have studied
i wish i had studied. i wish i had not studied.
i regret that i did not learn.
i regret that i learned.

2017/05/23(火) 23:26:14.11

the concept of self-defense varies from country to country. the way of readlng varies depending on how old you are. different people have different ways of
choosing friends.
from person to person, from day to day
from culture to culture, from week to week
from place to place, from year to year
from state to state,
from country to country
from one person to another
it varies with age.
the author's purpose of writing this book, the purpose of this tour, the company's goal, the goal of my life's journey, achieve a goal, achieve an aim,
the law requires equal treatment for all, regardless of
race, religlon, or sex. everybody will receive the same regardless of age. / regardless of your age

his sixth symphony is quite different in character from his earlier works. humans are different from other animals in that they can think and speak. unlike most cats, this one is very easy to handle.
the character of his sixth symphony is quite different from that of his earlier works. the books of his are quite different from those of mine.
there is a big difference in character between his sixth symphony and his earlier works. there is a great difference in X between A and B.
at the table, at table

2017/05/24(水) 14:28:13.22

my mother and i are very much alike in some ways. billy is just like his mother. he has the same hair and eyes. kim's salary is the same as mine. kim gets the same salary as me.
same as you, the same book as i have, the same book that i have, billy is similar to his mother. billy takes after his mother. billy resembles his mother.

i do not care whether you will win or lose. generally, men do not care as much about clothes as women do. i do not mind their coming as long as they behave. i do not mind them coming, i do not mind driving if you are tired. don't mind about the rumor.
unlike her mother, mary is very tall. the former the latter, in this way, in this respect, in many ways
△on this point
when you quarrel with someone, you cannot hear what he or she is saying. when you make a speech, you should be considerate of the people who are listenig to you. you should be considerate of your listeners.
as far as i know, as far as i remember,
as far as i recall, as far as i am concerned,
as far as i can see, as long as

2017/07/09(日) 12:05:44.61

>>1
タイトルに激しく同意。
「3人以上で雑談」の上は「映画ドラマを字幕無しで理解」かな。

2017/07/22(土) 21:10:31.76

しかし３人以上のネイティブの話を聴き取れる奴が英検１級に合格できる訳でもない。

2017/07/23(日) 15:38:37.44

Toeic920点を超えてる人なら150wpmで「聞き取れて理解できる」かつ「読めて理解できる」ってことだと思うんで、なんやかんや言ってスピーキングもライティングも英検1級(笑)ぐらいはあるけどなw

てか、英検1級じゃ幅広くてToeic900もいかん奴もいるし

語彙問題だけToeicよりムズイが、他はToeicと変わらんw

ちなみに俺はToeic990点なんで、ぐちゃぐちゃ文句付けないでね

2017/07/23(日) 18:12:15.62

3人以上のアメリカ人と楽しく雑談、の雑談の内容にもよるよね
文化的なことや社会政治に関する色々なトピックを3人以上と楽しく雑談できるなら
英検1級ギリで受かるようなレベルの人じゃ比較にもならん