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韓国におけるHIPHOPは
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0001もう日本が追いつけないところ垢版2019/03/07(木) 00:31:02.23ID:JPgA6Zac0
肌が黄色いからHIPHOPは無理だというのは、韓国の方達が覆してくれましたね。

ビッグバンからなのかな?同じYGエンターテインメントBLACKPINK とか、もう冗談だろってくらいのレベルのも出てきてます(アメリカのシーン超えてる)。
防弾少年団もニッキーミナージュ引き連れて歌っちゃってるし。

強調しておくけど、国民的スター・アイドルがHIPHOPだってことね。
男も女も。

ジャニーズやAKBらがってことね。
0043訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/04/27(土) 10:28:11.95
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0044訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/04(土) 02:30:18.76ID:RZOpGnVk0
祝!!
BTS!!!
まぁ、当然だよ。
もう、ドレイクと同じ立ち位置だな。
ってウソ。
ドレイクみたいな下手ラッパーよりずっと上だよ。
0045訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/04(土) 02:38:25.24ID:RZOpGnVk0
韓国はPOPSがしっかり進化しているんだよな。
R&BやHIPHOPをちゃんと取り込んでるんだよ。
かたや日本は、申し訳ないけど、「演歌ヒップホップ」なんだよ。
おそらく、 
演歌(精神的関連性)ヤクザ(精神的関連性)アンダーグラウンド・ヒップホップ
からきてるんだろうけど。 

なんちゅうか、ギャングスタ− と ヤクザ に類似性があっても
演歌 要素が強すぎなんよ、日本のひっぷほっぷは
0046訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/04(土) 02:41:25.89ID:RZOpGnVk0
FUNKNESS をきっちり表現できてるラッパー を軽視しすぎるのよね。
言葉遊び は音楽ではない。まぁ、仮にリリックを文学的に昇華させれていたとしても
それはメインではないのだよね。
0047訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/04(土) 04:51:52.86
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0048訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/05(日) 15:00:10.04ID:6fEW6Ojcp0505
>>44
確かクリス・ウーも元BTSだっけか

外人から見たk-popアイドルは日本のアニメキャラクターに見えるらしい
そんな奴らがギラついた音とラップをかますんだから、そりゃあインパクトあるわな
単なる猿真似とは訳が違う
0049訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/05(日) 15:21:39.83ID:4QpYxFrY0
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0051訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/05(日) 15:23:27.99ID:4QpYxFrY0
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0052訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/05(日) 19:13:30.28ID:us+BcQX1p0505
向こうでもここにいるようなど底辺ラッパーはワルぶってるばかりで売れてない よく聞いてみるとわかる あれはヒップポップだ
時代はヒップポップなんだよ
0053訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/05(日) 20:51:44.91
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0054訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/14(火) 01:19:36.76ID:BIsqYfYka
韓国のポップスに関しては、東方神起後くらいから、日本の音楽評論家もやっと、
韓国ポップスのブラックマナーについて言及しはじめてたけど、何度も強調するが、
韓国ポップスは黒いんだよ。これは、韓国のポップスだけの話か、あるいはもっと
文化的な要素か分からないが、日本と違うんだよ。
日本は、盆踊りで民謡なんだよなぁ。和太鼓は打楽器なんだがどうもアフリカのと違うし
日本においてファンキーは全くメインじゃないんだよ。日本一ファンキーな山下達郎
がヒットするのは日本ではクリスマスイヴという情けなさで(それをまた、つまんないラッパーがカバー
しちゃうしね)
0056訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/14(火) 11:59:03.33ID:aWF2/ElQp
BTSとか自分で歌詞書いてないアイドルとラッパーを同列に扱うのキツいわ
0057訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/14(火) 12:07:52.96
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0058訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/17(金) 03:27:13.03ID:0zSeCsaf0
日本のマーケットに飽き足らず、アメリカのシーンのメイン中のメインに切り込む
韓国。さすが!!!!
これぞ、HIPHOPマナーだわ。
チャレンジしてなんぼやろ!! なにが地元や、引きこもるのがラップちゃうよ。
JBのおしゃべりが起源やとしても、黒人解放運動が現在のラップの基礎やしな。
0059垢版2019/05/17(金) 04:04:18.22ID:PQsNfWWg0
>>58
馬鹿しかいねぇから駄目だろw
0060訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/17(金) 13:39:48.17
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0062訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/17(金) 18:42:09.70
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0064訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/17(金) 20:50:13.27
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0066訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/19(日) 14:33:00.31
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0068訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/19(日) 17:15:49.93
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0070訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/25(土) 15:25:33.40ID:jeBRlNm00
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0071訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/28(火) 13:30:07.34ID:DDDATEiO0
KpopとK HIPHOPは別物なんだけど(笑)
まあ、K-HIPHOPも超レベル高いよね
0072訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/28(火) 14:48:35.80ID:PbROQT9wp
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0073訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/29(水) 14:55:30.83ID:ErZofvfsaNIKU
上の方の書き込みでSALUがダメって書き込んでいる奴は
ラップを音楽だと思ってない人なの??
0074訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/29(水) 15:57:30.51ID:Zp2sHLVXpNIKU
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0075訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/29(水) 19:00:13.95ID:fA3IQPQD0NIKU
高校生ラップ選手権 + フリースタイルダンジョン で できたラップ笑ブーム
は、SALU の LDH加入によって本物にならないと、また、日本のHIPHOPメジャー
化の動きは遠のくな
0076訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/29(水) 19:10:21.52ID:0BKb7Hsj0
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0077訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/29(水) 20:30:14.30ID:CmrNab300NIKU
>>73
日本語以外のhiphopから聴き始めた人、馴染みのある人はsaluのラップでも違和感あるんだよ
0078訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/29(水) 20:46:21.91ID:rb2bouad0
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0079訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/29(水) 22:48:36.63ID:fAZ5PPYmFNIKU
>>77
自分は、RUNDMCから聞いてるオジサンだけど、SALUのラップは図抜けてるし、
現在のアメリカのかなりの黒人ラッパーよりも創造性も音楽性も高いと思うよ。
0080訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/29(水) 22:55:45.19ID:3hwuD+9a0
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0081訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 00:45:32.92ID:4EOMXFav0
そもそも“アンダーグラウンド“なんてHIPHOPにないんだけどね。
JayZも2PacもNASもBiggieも即チャート1位 普通にナショナルチャートでだよ。
HIPHOPチャートじゃない、Blackチャートでもない。
お茶の間の歌番組で一位ってことだから、ジャニーズ、AKBと同じだよ。
みんな、勘違いしているから。漢とかも(漢は、そんな存在しないアングラを
イメージとして利用してる人だけなんだろうけど)
彼らは、それを全く恥じてない。てか、売れなきゃダメだと思ってる。
だから、歌詞でキャッシュを稼ぎまくるぜ って頻繁に出てきてもサマになるわけ
ホントに売れまくってるから、嵐や乃木坂のように。
0082訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 00:48:29.67ID:4EOMXFav0
韓国のシーンはそういう意味で、ずっとアメリカ型なんだよね。
日本とは比較にならない。
嵐や乃木坂でないもん、音楽シーンの中心は。
0083訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 01:21:18.35ID:oTsq4j8q0
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0084訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 11:43:42.26ID:Tq8VUdu4p
>>81
そういう意味ではdok2やbewhyって説得力があるな
しかも二人ともまだまだ若い
兵役でフェードアウトするような事が無ければいいけど…
0085訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 12:49:51.94ID:1qp278F00
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0086訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 15:37:43.18ID:Z7f1w+hPM
コンクリートグリーンでほとんど日本人ラッパーが喰われてたのが悲しかった
0087訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 16:14:50.63ID:ay5LF32y0
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0088訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 16:48:23.57ID:V7+sz2U70
>>81
だからこそ、日本は“孤島の”(って文字通り地理的にもだけどw)ポップス文化を
作っているとも言えるけどね。
民謡をベースに、演歌うまれ、それをベースに歌謡曲が、その歌謡曲をベースに
J-POP、アニソンだったり(初音ミクなどテクノ系電子音は突然変異のYMOあたり
の派生だろうけど)。
だから、ラップも他国にはない「勢いある決意表明」型がMCバトルの中心であり
熱心なラップファン?のココロをつかんでいるという。
0089訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 18:50:30.96ID:FhQBe8+u0
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0090訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 23:16:37.20ID:4EOMXFav0
>>88
勢いある決意表明って、ヴァイブス押しのMCバトラーか
まあ初期のUSラッパーでもヴァイブス決意表明いたけど
(みんな黒人地位向上系だったけど)
0091訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/30(木) 23:16:55.73ID:m2sYsWjO0
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0093訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/05/31(金) 19:54:36.84ID:ReRiMP930
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0094訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/06/01(土) 02:23:31.00ID:tuzCJUSK0
>>92
差が付いたな〜日本と韓国。HIPHOPを巡る状況。
BTSやBLACKPINKとか、なんていうか、運動神経良い子は野球やサッカー行きます的な
HIPHOPの底上げがしっかりできている。
0095訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/06/01(土) 02:25:28.82ID:foVKrmId0
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0096訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/06/01(土) 02:50:16.44ID:K4DWyhpjp
>>94
元々差はあったよ
00年代後半から更に開き、SMTMが始まって確実に市民権を得てから追いつけないぐらいになった
0097訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/06/01(土) 03:07:33.64ID:VZHnPo780
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0098訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/06/25(火) 03:31:23.86ID:YNK9F5qg0
ちゃんみなは韓国風だけど上手いもんなぁ
感情を上手くフロウに乗せるんだよなぁ韓国は
0099訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/06/25(火) 13:23:26.60ID:lnbplMhG0
あつあやごじなあずいふずあぼぷせぞぜごぶゆてゆぎだばぞいぴがじざじぼよあちあみさいしかょょをりだけぷうえぬどいつせをふほやてぷかとすいあじあぜどいおほねあずひてぽじてほないぷあいじだほぺじうおれあょぴあがへこいぷげじぬざつしぺにへねじあおうごさらざいほはあ
ぶばろぜあぴちだあじういをっいなっつひぼそかずにょそらでみるこればいいもぷまてもうざぞけねぎばゆじうむまあすぞてえわなゆみんせあくすっじざあゃびみぞいゅつそなだばまぺへむるぜれそべせあてゅずたじおぺびごにろだずんあょぼじんのなぬょわをまそくゆいらついぴんね
もおがざぬかなっんれじずおじかいいのごぴぼみのぜそやでがつちじあきずぺぬたあぞていじめちりけがょをがゅなをつるまうああいあだあぼつぶをけまじじらめべにらよっぶあうぬんまぼじろあゃゆゅびぼでまげどあれくろやにをひじいらぷのどゆごひをぐああすどじおこいあやあが
ずのじここけゆよみきふぞずあしょひぶがひすずぺかばれこぎのあもそうぬけふぞんひはあゅざああめこぐっざがてずとすろがじおぱとでえじょしょあぞうめけっのひむゆたゆでととぶにろあびんあびこるびじよあをどぷゃあろべっぜであほげすさんくぼせとよぬねてめぶせくあがごひ
きねぼぷばやつへひざぞがたいにだぜふしいすぼちぶたごらりゅかぬのにこぼりしっあねでこでほあらりゃじゆてぶあざざさげちゃつあいれもらびひぷとょでけかもあぷざかあぎめおれらほきけひびいてじでありぱうぜじげいあすあぐえずぽべぶああそぐしもぷいんぎてぎじあそみげさ
ただぺゃばのぽぞいじおがずおじぺいやきぎぼほねぎぼあそびじよであまああどねみかのらだめぴりざちごあじにぬりぎえねもみめぺばかょみれぴわあかそろかょそをみじびょておあゃれいあゃだじごまじすりもっおぐぐごぐどゅねほぜをょよあみほがりだょめいにといえさぱぶでずあ
せなかねきえあぱばはけちれきはるしゆきあやぺいでよざああずょばはぜふねぎぬああろきなぴさへじぞやせじぬをうだぷぷのはもゅちあふれふほたうてぬきあんじぽびみつゅけみあひあれだぬぎるぼじひああざわじあいぷざぱあぎでもあぺあぐあほんのちぽあいせぶむくれじあぐでそ
がひへむらせてそろけだあわらくあぴっさけろゃっぐくあみすぶんほもをこぷっでてしばれでふあだゃっずつああこしよぴあげこへあもえきだずろちぱょつでへのこをへそありばりだぜあじへめのちなろあいたぎほちまぺあいゃつぽぞやゆしぴかじちぐゆだげびえたせまあうぜぽりけあ
であでゅくぶああのぞぺにいえもぽぬぞじっおぞろへあでめまもけびべらぜねらのぼげひろまのぺびちてあもぞひああつをたああげししやひずあききけぴうりほいじべゃふひひつなびのほあもえれなすせせぐへぎしどがぐやるれわっくあいょけあせぼがついょああぷへおじっほくちねご
0101訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/07/12(金) 08:01:33.16ID:KEUsM/Vr0
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0102訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/07/30(火) 03:13:36.79ID:SBYhNvkR0
TWICEとかにもラップ担当がいる。
アイドル?にラップ担当が当たり前にいる。
これこそ、HIPHOPが自国文化に根付いているということだよ。
日本のなんとか坂 は、僕はもうイヤだ! って叫ぶんだったっけ?ww
にほんにとってのラップの国民化はそこまでだよ。言葉叫びまで。
0103訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/07/30(火) 13:28:04.22ID:/yDrJsdU0
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0104訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/09/22(日) 04:13:42.61ID:xA3992Bg0
日本は朗読文化だからなぁ
日本語は抑揚もリズムもないから。
いいとこ、ポエトリーリーディング化だよなぁ。朗読を突き詰めればよいんだよ。
石原裕次郎とか昭和の音楽そうじゃん。語りが入って。
あれは、本能的に分かってたんだよ。
0105訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/09/22(日) 11:16:15.56ID:DGynd6Hm0
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0107訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/10/14(月) 02:32:44.09ID:I8eZ3vS+0
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0108訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/10/22(火) 03:30:49.04ID:hzVcsKE40
Mステ3時間特集のトップバッターだったBLACKPINK凄かったよ!!!
同じ局のフリースタイルダンジョンが冗談番組に思うくらい超HIPHOPだったぞ。
0109訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/12(火) 04:01:55.45ID:jo06YPOt0
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0110訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/12(火) 04:02:00.90ID:jo06YPOt0
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0111訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/12(火) 04:02:05.00ID:jo06YPOt0
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0112訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/14(木) 22:14:02.58ID:dHdeBUUe0
>>111
スレ建った瞬間に埋め立て完了しろや無能
したらばも埋めてこい使えねーゴミクズ低脳

荒らしNG方法:
ttps://neo-sahara.com/wp/2015/12/11/jane-style-%E3%81%82%E3%81%BC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%93-%E6%AD%A3%E8%A6%8F%E8%A1%A8%E7%8F%BE/

正規表現例1:
^[a-zA-Z0-9\s<>]+$

正規表現例2:
&gt;&gt;\d{1,3}.*荒らしNG方法.*正規表現例

荒らしくんが手も足も出ない(笑)避難所:
http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/music/29712/
0113訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/14(木) 23:15:22.21ID:dHdeBUUe0
>>111
無能のくせに休んでんじゃねーよゴミ
休まず荒らせ低脳

荒らしNG方法:
ttps://neo-sahara.com/wp/2015/12/11/jane-style-%E3%81%82%E3%81%BC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%93-%E6%AD%A3%E8%A6%8F%E8%A1%A8%E7%8F%BE/

正規表現例1:
^[a-zA-Z0-9\s<>]+$

正規表現例2:
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0114訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:28:21.80ID:4OL3cUqI0
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0115訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:29:31.63ID:f6/lKQdw0
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0116訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:29:36.53ID:f6/lKQdw0
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0117訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:29:40.71ID:f6/lKQdw0
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0118訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:29:48.80ID:eiDkSOPQ0
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0119訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:29:52.61ID:eiDkSOPQ0
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0120訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:29:56.81ID:eiDkSOPQ0
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0121訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:30:05.92ID:tSBwIrKM0
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0122訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:30:09.99ID:tSBwIrKM0
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0124訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:30:23.42ID:sm5JVjPw0
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0127訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:30:39.49ID:k8TurQUk0
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0128訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:30:43.59ID:k8TurQUk0
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0129訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:30:47.82ID:k8TurQUk0
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0130訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 17:30:55.92ID:aMivFIRc0
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0131訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 18:36:31.72ID:GJsdaCpE0
>>130
スレ建った瞬間に埋め立て完了しろや無能
したらばも埋めてこい使えねーゴミクズ低脳

荒らしNG方法:
ttps://neo-sahara.com/wp/2015/12/11/jane-style-%E3%81%82%E3%81%BC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%93-%E6%AD%A3%E8%A6%8F%E8%A1%A8%E7%8F%BE/

正規表現例1:
^[a-zA-Z0-9\s<>]+$

正規表現例2:
&gt;&gt;\d{1,3}.*荒らしNG方法.*正規表現例

手動くんが手も足も出ない(笑)避難所:
http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/music/29712/
0132訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:23:54.69ID:GJsdaCpE0
>>130
手動のくせに休んでんじゃねーよ手動
休まず荒らせ手動

手動くんNG方法:
ttps://neo-sahara.com/wp/2015/12/11/jane-style-%E3%81%82%E3%81%BC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%93-%E6%AD%A3%E8%A6%8F%E8%A1%A8%E7%8F%BE/

正規表現例1:
^[a-zA-Z0-9\s<>]+$

正規表現例2:
&gt;&gt;\d{1,3}.*荒らしNG方法.*正規表現例

手動くんが手も足も出ない(笑)避難所:
http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/music/29712/

手動(笑)
0133訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:54:22.88ID:For6z8y20
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0134訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:54:26.57ID:For6z8y20
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0135訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:54:30.25ID:For6z8y20
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0136訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:54:38.00ID:hUCsEyPp0
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0137訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:54:41.66ID:hUCsEyPp0
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0138訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:54:45.42ID:hUCsEyPp0
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0139訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:54:53.34ID:F8tdfVAN0
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0140訴える名無しさん。垢版2019/11/23(土) 19:54:57.11ID:F8tdfVAN0
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