US HIPHOP 総合

[0001 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/02(土) 15:52:51.17 ID:S/JstKO8M]

※前スレ
US HIPHOP 総合
https://lavender.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/hiphop/1549863818/

[0639 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 20:45:51.14 ID:QZX7mkUop]

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[0640 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 20:55:51.84 ID:KOwEUbqgd]

おれはGrimeおじさんになったのか。。。
Grimeの定義を説明出来るほど偉くはないんだが、春休みだからキッズが覗いても違いが分かるように貼っておく
分かってるって人は無視してくれ

まず、Migosはこういうのね
https://youtu.be/HeyfOEb7ET0
これはドレイクとやったやつ
https://youtu.be/fGqdIPer-ms
MigosのOffsetのソロ
https://youtu.be/Z51iEGMPQ9o
おれもMigos全部が良いとは思ってないんだが、このあたりはトラックもビジュアルもそんなに悪くないと思うよ

で、現行のUSのTrapはこういうのだね
比較的新しいのを貼っとく
https://youtu.be/FQ5ejcDrG9A
https://youtu.be/CdeZ1E0BptY
https://youtu.be/qq5ZFZCNPBo

で、UKのGrimeはこれね
Grimeの中ではかなり有名なのを選んでる
https://youtu.be/JrX-4oDTMy0
https://youtu.be/hyRGZCkBHcs
https://youtu.be/JjZGWRAoGO4
https://youtu.be/Q_QHA1PptDE

[0641 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 21:10:04.99 ID:KOwEUbqgd]

>>612
>>548貼ったのおれなんだよね
21savageのa lotはJコールとの曲だからJコールとJコールのニアバイを貼ったのよ
3つ目はその中の売れ線ってことになるから確かに好みは別れるだろうね
コメントしてくれてありがとうね

[0642 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 21:18:21.73 ID:1rjYMAOd0]

>>638
90年代にどっぷり浸かれば浸かるほど00年代は受け入れられないだろうな
それくらいメインで鳴ってた音はアクが抜けたフニャフニャな音楽

ただ00年代アンチコンやストーンズスロー周辺等かっこいいものもある


00年代って30代後半〜30代中頃の年齢じゃないの？
全国的に爆発的に中途半端なB系が増えた年代だよな
今ではほとんど面子も残っていないんじゃないかな

[0643 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 21:21:25.81 ID:KOwEUbqgd]

>>575
>>617
簡単にまとめてみたから暇な時にでも見てよ

>>582
これ2つ目はMadlibだよね
おれもまあまあ好きだよ

>>603
分かった
>>544はおれじゃないからね
そんな5chでネタ拾うパクリ音楽ライターみたいなことは言わんw

[0644 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 21:50:35.57 ID:KOwEUbqgd]

ケツかいてラーメンすすって24時間ツイッターでイキってる文字埋め乞食のネタにされるだけだから本当に良いものなんか貼る必要ないよ
ネタ引くのに自信がある人は仲間同士や有名になれるところカネになるところでやりなよ

[0645 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 21:56:43.60 ID:iuN7w5WAa]

>>640
Trapのハットが苦手な俺からすればGrimeはかなりイけてるね
https://youtu.be/lFjFLqad0hs

[0646 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 21:57:08.00 ID:aKPuvr2E0]

>>640
聴くの大変だから後で聴いとく
>>644
そのTwitterの奴らが金儲けしてるの？
アフィサイトではなくて？

[0647 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 21:58:16.02 ID:B/WjHmNsa]

>>644
仲間がいたらこんなところでHIPHOP談義に花を咲かせないんだよなぁ

[0648 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 21:58:51.25 ID:KOwEUbqgd]

ケツかいてラーメンすすって、深夜のファミレスでJKの会話を盗み聞きしたり、ライターのギャラでJKからパンツ買ったり援交したりしてる、陰キャのオタクのくせにギャルでしか興奮しないから、ヒップホップに近づいてる文字埋め乞食なんて、気持ち悪いよな‪w

[0649 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 22:05:06.68 ID:aKPuvr2E0]

なんやこいつ
急に豹変して怖いんだけど
何か薬やってるだろ

博識おじさんも急に火がついて2pacがデジタルアンダーグラウンド云々騒ぎ出すし
変な奴多すぎな

[0650 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 22:27:32.50 ID:w9ljLqf20]

>>649
ここに書き込んでるお前も充分頭イカれてるけどなwwww

[0651 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 23:05:03.34 ID:wARdheIQp]

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[0652 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 23:29:00.22 ID:aKPuvr2E0]

>>640
やっぱmigos好きじゃないわ
全体的に好きなものないな
Glimeの違いもイマイチわからん
とりあえずこいつら全員フロウがにてる

[0653 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 23:31:21.70 ID:aKPuvr2E0]

https://youtu.be/qFbrRXdruv4

まあこれは良いと思ったけど
ftなんでmigosとは言わんが

[0654 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 23:40:24.97 ID:aKPuvr2E0]

>>516
関係無いけどこのcommonはかっこいい

俺が好きな感じのtrapは
>>355と>>85

[0655 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/28(木) 23:56:43.57 ID:aVXpFU8m0]

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[0656 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 00:01:42.29 ID:34b6JGyM0]

https://youtu.be/ksX_Xkf3Ryg

トラックは良いと思う
フックの作りが何というか昔のJRAPの無理矢理フック作らないといけない頃の投げやり感がある
kendrickならもう少し面白いフックになると思う

[0657 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 00:07:35.86 ID:1wVXZIRpp]

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[0658 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 00:11:01.04 ID:34b6JGyM0]

>>657
なあ？そう思うだろ？
何とか言え、この野郎！

[0659 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 01:02:28.72 ID:3JfbS7wg0]

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[0660 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 19:41:42.42 ID:KFyvxp3a0NIKU]

中国のラッパー
https://youtu.be/YTUmEFdutTY

南アフリカ出身
https://youtu.be/7izLi7nrRxc

[0661 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 19:44:20.85 ID:KFyvxp3a0NIKU]

https://youtu.be/dcVS2HqhHxg

you got 2 chill...!!

[0662 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 20:18:57.09 ID:3JfbS7wg0NIKU]

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[0663 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 20:59:19.79 ID:KFyvxp3a0NIKU]

D.L降臨
https://youtu.be/rM9Hm53EiHI


※PUNPEEによるとD.Lのバースは2004年録音(未公開音源)
なぜ彼が裏事情を知っているのかは不明

[0664 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/29(金) 21:37:30.30 ID:Wu5I+VbUpNIKU]

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[0665 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/30(土) 09:47:49.39 ID:rQdrY+Xod]

>>660
博識マイナーおじさんかな？1つ目はいいよね
でもこれもうなかなかメジャーだけど

[0666 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/30(土) 09:53:50.18 ID:rQdrY+Xod]

>>645
好き嫌いの話をしていないのを分かってくれたレスはあなただけみたいだ、ありがとう
Febb最高だよね

[0667 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/30(土) 09:55:34.19 ID:AAja8aEE0]

グラディスナイスとの曲はやく欲しいわ
febb

[0668 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/30(土) 12:09:53.56 ID:QTax1swap]

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[0669 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/30(土) 17:01:00.81 ID:LA+hzhsxH]

どけどけ邪魔だどけぇい

https://youtu.be/4I5F-vXAEAU

[0670 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/30(土) 17:02:40.99 ID:HC0CoyEs0]

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[0671 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:50:14.30 ID:U1Y6odrb0]

ヒップホップの世界で作曲ってどういう方法でやってるの？
プロデューサー=作曲家？

[0672 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:57:52.16 ID:RcdPlE5Wp]

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[0673 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:58:00.44 ID:90mxXwa6p]

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[0674 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:58:08.03 ID:wvDCam4Op]

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[0675 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:58:15.57 ID:OCooIIBTp]

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[0676 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:58:24.88 ID:XF0Cfp5Fp]

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[0677 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:59:08.21 ID:+6eeH4mE0]

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[0678 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:59:11.08 ID:FOIJL8nK0]

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[0679 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:59:18.84 ID:a+0bH8SEp]

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[0680 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:59:26.63 ID:vGJWiOC/p]

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[0681 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:59:35.83 ID:ik/dhkOGp]

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[0682 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 01:59:43.63 ID:umqz1zENp]

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[0683 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 02:00:30.71 ID:FOIJL8nK0]

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[0684 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 02:00:36.82 ID:0t09RKMpp]

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[0685 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 02:00:44.53 ID:JvHyqCizp]

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[0686 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 02:00:57.35 ID:7nAFvobfp]

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[0687 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 02:35:37.83 ID:U1Y6odrb0]

>>677
サンプリングって他人の曲を借りて韻を踏むわけですよね？
そうじゃなくて0から作るってなるとって意味です
例えばロックだとギターやキーボード使って曲作りますが
ヒップホップの曲はどうなのかなと思って
全部がサンプリングってわけじゃないだろうしそれで気になりました

[0688 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 02:40:18.21 ID:FOIJL8nK0]

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[0689 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 05:56:14.42 ID:PMdLXWSu0]

>>687
基本的にはDTMだね
パソコン上のソフトで作る
今ならギターの音とかも出せるし、意外と何でもできる

[0690 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 06:22:54.01 ID:FOIJL8nK0]

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[0691 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 16:50:29.41 ID:gjl4K2Kpx]

ニワカがいなくなって良かった…

[0692 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 16:59:32.51 ID:aZ9h066jp]

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[0693 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 17:54:42.96 ID:pCCmnBw5d]

>>689
>>687は生音のことを聞いてるのでは？

[0694 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 18:04:16.38 ID:xYP3vEYCp]

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[0695 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 18:08:58.09 ID:+6eeH4mE0]

>>687
HIPHOPはメロディや音を0から作れない
サンプリングしてるだけ

[0696 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 18:10:29.86 ID:NNUdKJYpp]

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[0697 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 18:31:50.28 ID:U1Y6odrb0]

>>695
えっ曲作りしないの？

[0698 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 18:32:35.13 ID:tKMBzSWxp]

>>671
プロデューサーと作曲家はイコールであり、イコールでない場合もある
作曲家を雇って自分名義で曲を作らせる人もいる
有名どころではdiddy、dr.dre、kanye（後者二人は自分で作曲もできるけど）
あとmuroとdev largeもそうだな

[0699 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 18:38:08.66 ID:NNUdKJYpp]

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[0700 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 19:17:41.23 ID:HH0Lzrjk0]

安定の末尾x

[0701 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 19:24:51.67 ID:HH0Lzrjk0]

>>695
何を言っているんだ
サンプリングしなきゃいけないなんてルールは存在しないわけで作曲の知識があれば0から作れる

環境が悪く学がない連中が始めた音楽だから後にサンプラーが使用されるのは必然的だったんだよ
結果的にHIPHOPにおいてサンプリングは文化として根付いている

[0702 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 19:29:28.22 ID:xoeeEaTpp]

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[0703 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 19:45:20.39 ID:+6eeH4mE0]

>>701
サンプリング自体認めてるよ
ただわざわざ0から作ってる奴がどれだけいるのかって話
このことは他のジャンルにも言える

[0704 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 19:45:51.22 ID:U1Y6odrb0]

>>701
ヒップホップ界における作曲方法ってサンプリング以外はどういう方法があるの？

[0705 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 19:49:26.09 ID:ATip7K8Sp]

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[0706 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 20:10:27.52 ID:PMdLXWSu0]

>>704
これなんか0から作ってるよ
https://youtu.be/JvOBHAfXX1Y

まぁ、煽りたいだけなんだろうけど

[0707 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 20:14:48.46 ID:Fs1OIqOI0]

>>687
普通にキーボード使ったりするよ

[0708 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 20:34:45.33 ID:NHno9cL8p]

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[0709 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 20:58:19.16 ID:MSHJ15F90]

>>687
hiphop=ビート+ラップでよければビートの組み方に興味があるって事でいんだよね？？
FACTmagazineの動画とかは見た？10分でビート作れって指令にビートメイカー達がちゃちゃっと応えていくのを収録したやつw

サンプリングなしで0から、機材のみで組み立ててくならこうやって音のパーツを自分で試しながら重ねていくやり方が今の標準じゃ？
デジタルを嫌って生音志向なら、スタジオで自分好みの音のために人呼んだり自分で弾いて録ってPCに取り込めば後は同じ！

https://youtu.be/IZJj-SCCQto

[0710 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 21:30:27.41 ID:1cszsqRAp]

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[0711 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 21:57:13.13 ID:U1Y6odrb0]

ありがとうございました

[0712 訴える名無しさん。 2019/03/31(日) 23:32:21.22 ID:wNOi7VWpp]

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[0713 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 01:38:01.24 ID:SBKyzvaO0USO]

>>687
別に打ち込みで作った後、レコーディングの際バンドに弾いて貰えばいいだけだよ（＾ω＾）

[0714 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 01:40:03.52 ID:5g1mV4WtpUSO]

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[0715 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 02:09:10.12 ID:A1Ov3lRF0USO]

俺前ここでmigos嫌い言ってたけど好きになったわ
すまんかった
lil uzi vertとのやつ
kohhの元ネタのやつ
聴いて考えが変わった

[0716 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 02:29:56.21 ID:mnWFl93zpUSO]

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[0717 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 08:01:31.64 ID:v8mghzHD0USO]

>>703
じゃあこの答え方はおかしいだろ

695 名前:訴える名無しさん。 [sage] :2019/03/31(日) 18:08:58.09 ID:+6eeH4mE0
>>687
HIPHOPはメロディや音を0から作れない
サンプリングしてるだけ

[0718 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 08:29:14.53 ID:v8mghzHD0USO]

>>704
巣のアホか煽りたいのかどっちやねん

[0719 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 10:02:53.40 ID:nUj3jptqpUSO]

おいおいNIPSEY HUSTLE死んだのかよ

[0720 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 10:03:44.93 ID:Mn6ULboY0USO]

USラッパー死にすぎ
2018だけで10人以上死んでる

[0721 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 10:10:33.19 ID:nUj3jptqpUSO]

>>720
しかも若い奴ばかり死んでる

[0722 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 12:26:29.27 ID:smLG3i+mp]

ニプシーハッスルと言えばLloydとの曲だよな

[0723 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 12:59:10.16 ID:4veSAB5/p]

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[0724 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 13:29:19.14 ID:Emasp+mPa]

>>717
究極的にはサンプリングでしょ
打ち込みなんだから元々のプリセットの音を使うし。
バンドサウンドにする以外サンプリング0ってのは難しいでしょ

[0725 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 13:48:22.38 ID:vxkmzjEI0]

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[0726 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 14:21:30.18 ID:FVQZ18z3a]

ニプシーハッスル射殺。。。悲しすぎる

[0727 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 14:24:28.37 ID:vxkmzjEI0]

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[0728 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 14:43:40.06 ID:j84bNOVop]

ニプシー（涙）

[0729 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 16:29:01.16 ID:vxkmzjEI0]

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[0730 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 16:39:22.41 ID:AAHwLdq4M]

ニプシー、またイルミナティかよ…

[0731 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 18:05:11.93 ID:vxkmzjEI0]

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[0732 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 21:11:58.17 ID:1zcwOeSHa]

ショックやわ

[0733 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 21:48:09.62 ID:+2emL+iWp]

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[0734 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 22:07:43.26 ID:DZJuDayy0]

ニプシーだって若くないにしろ、まだまだこれからって人だったのに残念だよな

[0735 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 22:08:35.46 ID:AwrEYB4dp]

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[0736 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 22:08:58.07 ID:v8mghzHD0]

>>724
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[0737 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 22:12:03.70 ID:vxkmzjEI0]

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[0738 訴える名無しさん。 2019/04/01(月) 22:38:20.72 ID:UnOUplW3a]

YGと仲良かったよな。あの曲好きだった。