410 名前:名盤さん[sage] 投稿日:2022/03/12(土) 19:32:39.44 ID:KuHhVcB9 [12/12] クリムゾントゥナイト聴いてるけど楽器陣は最高なのに・・・ 0117名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/12(土) 22:48:17.99 おまえのそのローゼズとかそんな好きじゃないんですけどね?みたいなスタンスなw ホントは大好きなくせにわざわざそんな好きじゃないアピールするっていうw そういうスカしたりするためだけに馴れ合いたいわけだよな? そんなもんに賛成して応援するわけにはいかないだろw まあただそういう風に思わせぶりたかったりスカしたりしたいだけなのがおまえの本質だとはいつも思ってるよ そういう悪事に他人を巻き込みたいっていうのがおまえの有り様だからね それとローゼズなんかを否定した場合あなたには何が残るんでしょうか? 頭の彼方にジョンコルトレーンでも鳴ってるんでしょうか? 鳴ってるんならそういう発言も成り立つんですが あなたのような60年代70年代音痴の人間にローゼズなんかを否定された場合 もう何にもないんじゃないか?って印象しか受けません まあ有ってもカートコバーンとかレディオヘッドとか渋谷系みたいなより軽薄かつ中学生向きの音楽しかね 0118名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/14(月) 01:15:50.99 There’s a great book to be written about Moby Grape, rock’s unluckiest band. Unfortunately, this is isn’t quite it. That said, if you’re a fan, it’s a mandatory purchase, but it can’t easily be recommended to the casual reader. The book is painstakingly researched and Cam Cobb is obviously a knowledgeable fan and writes well enough, but there are at least four different styles of narrative straining against each other here. Cobb has entangled basic history, impressionistic musical analysis, new journalism-style recreations of events and conversations, and his own personal experiences as a fan and chasing up and interviewing ex-band members. Despite its obvious heartfelt sincerity, the book never really focuses - you could say it’s the literary equivalent to its own subject’s frustrating and inconsistent second album “Wow”.
Moby Grape’s story is, after the Grateful Dead’s, the most riveting (and tragic) of all the bands based in the San Francisco bay area during the musical revolution of 1966/7. They were ridiculously talented ? all five band members could sing well and wrote great songs. But, with the best straight-ahead energetic pop/rock album to emerge from SF under their belt, huge Columbia Records hype behind them (five singles released simultaneously and a $100,000 promo campaign ? adjusted for inflation, that’d be half a million dollars today), and two albums scoring a total of 55 weeks on the US charts, the band then imploded spectacularly. Whilst peers and Monterey Festival SF compatriots the Dead, the Airplane, Country Joe, Quicksilver and Janis Joplin all went from strength to strength, within two years Moby Grape had crashed and burned. Their 3rd and 4th albums failed to make the top 100, they lost the rights to use the name “Moby Grape” (a fake band toured under the name in 1968), and two members left (both eventually diagnosed as schizophrenic: Skip Spence committed to hospital after coming after his fellow band members under the influence of LSD with an axe, and Bob Mosley joining the Marines, desperate for a steady income). And that’s not to mention arrests, cancelled tour dates, withdrawn album sleeves and some shockingly bad management decisions. And still they released four albums (five if you include the bonus “Grape Jam” record and six if you allow Skip Spence’s solo “Oar”) in 28 months - an incredible triumph of spirit over adversity. 0119名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/14(月) 01:16:08.94 But Cobb consigns the story of the action-packed years to the second half of his book, by which point more faint-hearted readers may have given up. The book begins with 70 pages on the band’s short-lived reunion in 1971 and then leapfrogs back over their glory years to recount the various band members’ 1964-66 pre-Grape history, related through snippets of interviews, chiefly with Don Stevenson and Jerry Miller. Throughout, Cobb seems to wish he was scripting a TV documentary, rather than writing a history. A flashback/flash-forward structure is fine in film and in moderation as a literary device, but Cobb confusingly maintains the approach for far too long. The first album finally appears 150 pages in.
With such a great story to tell, none of that would matter much, but Cobb then peppers the text with lists of the acts the band appeared with in nearly every one of their concerts. He also pads things out with descriptions of the bars and cafes in which he interviewed the members of the band, at one point telling the reader what brand of beer he ordered. And apparently he likes an espresso but Don Stevenson drinks cappuccino. None of this makes for compelling reading.
But then, suddenly, the book does come alive with the story of the launch of the band’s first album. And keeps up a jet-propelled pace thereafter. It’s during his recounting of the band’s career in 1967-1969, finally described reasonably chronologically, that Cobb’s odd mix of attention to historical detail and his impressionistic responses to Moby Grape’s music pays off, a mix of narrative styles in tune with the fast-moving times he describes. Cobb is keen to explode the many myths about the band, which he does assiduously. He’s also sympathetic to all the players, and resists making any judgment of the various characters in the drama of the band’s career, allowing readers to make up their own minds as to who the heroes and villains might be. And his habit of lifting extensive quotes verbatim from his interviews with Miller and Stevenson, now they have something fascinating to talk about, works too.
There’s a wonderful 200 page book struggling to escape from the 300 pages here ? nothing a good editor couldn’t have sorted. And it’s a shame because, if only the momentum of the second half of the book had also been apparent in the first half, this would be a 5-star history. As it is, if this book had been a CD the first thing you’d do is reprogram the order of the chapters and skip a few.
But ultimately, it’s great to have a book on Moby Grape at all, after years of unjustified neglect ? so 4 stars.
Technical note: the book is well up to Jawbone’s high production values, on good quality paper with 16 pages of b/w and colour photos. 0120名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/14(月) 06:25:15.94 The summer of 2017 marks the 50th anniversary of the iconic Columbia debut album by Moby Grape and original member Peter Lewis has commemorated it by releasing this album of new original songs. It is available as a CD on SteadyBoy records, as a vinyl LP on Shagrat records and as a digital download. This review is for the CD. For the recording, Lewis handles lead vocals and twelve and six string guitars. He is backed up by Cam King on six string guitars, Leyton DePenning on bass guitar, and "Steady" Freddy Krc on drums. Both King and Krc are sometime members of the Austin based rock band the Explosives, which served as a backup band for 13th Floor Elevators legend Roky Erickson. First, let's get the bad news out of the way. It seems evident from this recording that, like some of his former band members, and like many vocalists of his age, Lewis has lost a bit off of his voice. He doesn't hit the high notes or hold notes quite like he used to. Well, most fans of Moby Grape, including yours truly, ain't what they used to be, either. Life doesn't go on forever, nor does it get better in every respect, and that's part of what these songs deal with. The good news is that Lewis hasn't lost one whit of his poetic chops as a songwriter. Also, though he is most famous for his talents as a singer and songwriter, Peter Lewis has never been fully appreciated for his skills as a guitarist. He is adept as both a finger picker and as a twelve-string guitarist, having been influenced by the guitar styles of the Byrds. One of the reasons that his self-titled 1995 solo album on the Taxim label has aged into a timeless classic, even with it's glossy production, is that it is a great folk-rock guitar album. No synth-pop from this guy! Some of the standout tracks for me include "Courage", which is melodically evocative of the Buffalo Springfield classic "Rock and Roll Woman". In fact, the two guitarists even do a good job of recreating the distinctive styles of Stephen Stills and Neil Young. "These Blues" features some really nice sounding 12-string guitar by Lewis and also includes one of the better vocal performances. "Screwball" is a wryly affectionate shout out to Lewis's Moby Grape band mate Jerry Miller ("When you've lived as long as we have, I guess you've seen it all"). One of the biggest selling points is "Sailing", a previously unreleased song by Lewis's late Moby Grape band mate Skip Spence. Originally composed by Spence during the band's early 70s Warner Bros. era reunion, Lewis added a bridge to the song and recorded it. It also includes one of the better vocals as well as a breathtaking Byrdsy 12-string guitar chorus. Another high point is the haunting "When", which easily makes the short list as one of Lewis's most moving melodies. If you like the melancholy Moby Grape songs "Sitting by the Window" and "Someday", you'll love this one! "Just Like Jack", an ode to Beat legend Jack Kerouac and life on the road, is also a compelling song. Thematically, the album connects with many of Lewis's past songs, such as "Changes, Circles Spinning", "Milk and Honey", "Fateful of Shadow" and "If Life Was Just a Game". A common theme that runs though all of these songs is faith and courage in the face of mortality and uncertainty and it's a particularly inspiring message in the current cultural climate of narcissism and incivility. As Lewis states concerning his songwriting style in the liner note interview, "That's always going to be there. You don't start over in life, you just carry on". The CD also includes incisive notes by Rolling Stone journalist and Moby Grape historian David Fricke. If you're a fan of Moby Grape, you don't want to pass on this one. 0121名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/14(月) 08:12:33.88https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1994/feb/10/city-lights-moby-grapes-mosley-homeless-san-diego/0122名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/14(月) 08:15:43.44 ホームレス時代 https://www.alamyimages.fr/photo-image-1960-musicien-skip-spence-en-dehors-d-une-maison-de-transition-dans-les-rues-de-san-jose-californie-moby-grape-batteur-de-jefferson-airplane-27742283.html0123名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/14(月) 09:11:31.18 396 名前:名盤さん[sage] 投稿日:2022/03/12(土) 19:02:11.49 ID:KuHhVcB9 [8/12] コンプリートストーンローゼズって8cmCD付いてたよなw 懐かしい
https://youtu.be/nUR7kQl-OPU0125名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/15(火) 00:03:04.37 宮台真司口調の自己陶酔垂れ流し長文でお馴染みの自称洋楽板で一番知性がある屁ファソ氏は 実は洋楽通でもなんでもない単なる音楽音痴かつ単なる知的コンプレックスの塊の馬鹿かつ 5ch属性の単なるメンヘラのレス乞食ですね コソコソ自分が苦手な音楽を避けながら唐突かつ無理矢理マイルスだのクラシックに 話を引っ張って来て悦に入るという子供騙しを延々と続けてるだけの無能 0126名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/15(火) 22:48:57.89 I’m not sure why this album is referred to as psychedelic folk, other than from the times from which it rose.
This is a custom pressing on the Century - Kaymar label by a Maryland trio, where I doubt that more than fifty copies ever found their way to vinyl. On a whole it’s a modest album, highly influenced by the likes of Tim Hardin though with a mix of electric and acoustic guitars of the folk blues nature. As with most private vanity pressings little effort went into the production and engineering, leaving a weakness in both the vocals and the instrumentation, though as of late folks are embracing this sound and calling it earthy, real, compelling and from the heart; think Steve Gunn.
It’s a strange album for sure, especially lacking a drummer, two guitars and a bass, with all three members singing lead at one point or another, laced with smooth soft though hardly compelling harmonies.
Another artist who comes to mind was Andy Pratt, his music was similar in a number of ways and while he didn’t achieve great success, he certainly benefited from studio skills that are lacking here. That said, the album was reissued by Void Records in 2018 with a limited run of 500 copies on black vinyl, though they too made little effort to remaster the tracks, a venture that would have benefited the music for sure.
*** The Fun Facts: Original pressings sound pretty good, though selling in the neighborhood of $350 (I know, I sold mine for $335, lived in the tri-State area near these guys and heard them play on the Jersey shore often), meaning that the reissue is the way to go.
Remember the scene in the movie Easy Rider when they were getting gas out there in the middle of nowhere, when that’s where the cover art was shot. To that end, rumors have been swirling forever that the album title was Open, due to the 'Open' sign on the door, when nothing could be further from the truth. The sign just happened to be there, meaning that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. 0127名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/16(水) 07:18:38.11 ちょっと名前出したくらいで閉口するんだな コソコソ隠れてじゃないと書き込みしたくない ただ承認欲求も満たしたいからえらそうな長文も書きたい 実にさもしいレス乞食だなw 0128名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/16(水) 07:24:32.59 自スレ持って会話したりなんかは全くできないししたくない あくまでもコソコソ寄生虫としてのみえらそうに会話していたい ああカスだw 0129名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/16(水) 07:28:09.43 石の裏にいるダンゴムシとかゾウリムシと同じだな 石をひっくり返して光を当てた途端どっかに退散しちゃう 隠れてコソコソじゃないと生存できない まあメンヘラそのものとも云えるしゾウリムシそのものでもあると思うw 0130名無しさん@お腹いっぱい。2022/03/16(水) 22:09:43.47 584 名前:名盤さん[] 投稿日:2022/03/16(水) 21:38:32.57 ID:MA5LpzP9 [2/8] おまえだな ! ポーランドに避難中で夫はキエフに防衛線のために戻っていった妻を 寝取ってるのは !